Contextual, it sits us at the table with the Italian duo Formafantasma, the art critic Koen Klejin and the designers Lucas Muñoz and Joel Blanco to talk about the limits that exist within design, the current situation of its dissemination and education and the impact of the geopolis tica and las industrial structures in their contemporary expressions. Through anecdotes, memories and personal experiences, she develops a joint and light reflection on the material contexts of design.